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Post by ginab on Jan 10, 2009 3:39:03 GMT -5
I have hit a spot where I don't know which way to go now. Current meds are in my signature. The thing is, I've been running a high-ish temp for a couple of weeks now. I went through the whole up and down thing prior to that. Temps are stable but high. Here's the last few days as an example: 98.93, 99.13, 99.13, 99.17. My heart rate is a bit faster than prior to this stable-but-high temp and is averaging in the low 90's.
I have no other known/realized high thyroid symptoms except maybe occasional 'loose' bm's. My hair is not coming out much - just a few instead of a handfull. I'm more even emotionally/mentally. Many good things to say for sure!
I am trying to switch to all Armour slowly. I take out 12.5 T3 and add 3/8 grain Armour (1/2 of a 1 1/2 grain pill). It seems to be ok so far. Could this be the reason for the high temps though?
I do have some weird things going on that may be related to the switch. My right hip is sore like I slept on the floor or something. I guess it could be my bed or the fact that we went on vacation last week and walked a lot (and slept on a different bed). We've been back since Sunday, and this started yesterday (Thursday). I felt really good all week we were gone, until the last day, but I stressed dosed which made it better/easier. I keep wondering if this weird hip pain is just last week catching up with me - physically and adrenal-ly! Or maybe it's the Armour switch. Any thoughts on that?
Thanks for helping me! Gina
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Post by justaustin on Jan 10, 2009 10:14:25 GMT -5
Keep in mind that Lee is on T3 only. She might have more insight. She did have to hold her T3 and/or reduce because she had a period of feeling hyper.
How long ago did you begin to switch to Armour? Do you stress dose your HC for two days when you make a dose adjustment? How often are you making adjustments. Armour contains T4 (longer half life than T3). You could also be converting some of the T4 to T3. You sound hyper to me. I think I would "hold" or not take T3 until you feel hypo, then either restart at a lower dose or progress slowly increasing Armour.
I wonder if you have too much circulating T3 between the cytomel, the T3 in Armour and whatever your body is converting from T4.
Laurie
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Post by ginab on Jan 10, 2009 11:08:22 GMT -5
So I wrote that last night when I was tired and forgot some things. Basically I want to know if I sould increase the HC or lower the T3/Armour or something else.
When I take extra HC I get more irritated and have a short fuse. I took 5mg extra yesterday morning because I woke up at 4am and again about 7pm because I was feeling 'off'. After that 2nd extra dose I got that irritated/short fuse thing. I just could not deal with my daughter, who was not doing anything that I should have been upset with. (She's 2 and was just playing.) I took my regular doses of 10-10-5-5 the rest of the day.
I was pretty good up until that 5mg in the evening. So does this tell me that an extra 5mg (overall) is too much? (Since I got that way before my normal night dose of 5mg.) I wasn't hugely more irritated/short fuse, just more than usual. Isn't that a sign of too much HC?
Also, I've had ankle/knee pain and whole body soreness on waking up in the morning and a 'crick' in my neck for the last couple of days along with the hip pain. (Had forgot about it to mention it in the previous post.) Those symptoms, which I used to have frequently/daily, had been gone for a while. Was my vacation just too stressful and my body is now paying for it?
Am I taking too much T3/Armour? I think my HC is pretty good coz I don't have the 'too much' symptoms except when I stress dose at the wrong times. But I still have hypo symptoms, so I don't feel like it's too much thyroid except for the high temps/pulse and occasional loose bm.
BTW, the high temps started just over 4 weeks ago. I was on 87.5 T3 at the time and had added another 12.5 T3 (total 100mcg) the night before my temps went high and stayed that way. About a week later I added 3/8 grain Armour. (I added it based on stable temps and no hyper symtpoms other than temps were 98.8-99.) A few days after that I took out 12.5 T3 coz I felt too hyper. Then I took out another 12.5 T3 a few days later coz I was still too hyper. And about 2 weeks ago I added 3/8 grain Armour taking me to my current dose of 1 1/2 grain Armour and 75 mcg T3. I feel pretty good on that dose, just still having issues I can't sort out. (Which is why I'm writing!)
Even to myself I seem a little all over the place with this post! I just have so many things going on and it's hard to put it all into words so that I get across what's happening. I more often just don't post any questions because I can't say it right, but I just need to figure this out so I have to post!
Anyway, if someone has some insight I'd appreciate it.
Thank you a million times over! Gina
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Post by ginab on Jan 10, 2009 11:37:36 GMT -5
Hi Laurie! After I posted my note I saw yours! We passed in cyberspace!
Armour switch started about 3 weeks ago. I'm not sure about not taking any T3/Armour because I still have many hypo symptoms and only the 2 or 3 hyper symptoms that are very mild. I don't 'feel' hyper. :-) I do NOT want to go back to even close to where I was! I will probably try taking out some more T3 to see what happens. Maybe my temps will be more normal and I'll still feel pretty good!
I'm just frustrated because in so many ways I'm better, but I still have a lot of things that are off. Brain fog being a major one. And this pain in my leg, hip and neck is getting to me. I'm still lacking in motivation. Can't seem to lose weight still. But the all day every day anxiety and depression are virutally gone - it's more situational and appropriate now. My hair isn't falling out like it was. I have more energy even though it's not optimal. I overall 'feel' better. So, it's just confusing!
Thanks for your input. It's making me think of some other things to do/check on. Can't wait to hear from Lee! Gina
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Post by justaustin on Jan 11, 2009 11:18:22 GMT -5
Trust your gut. Perhaps take less T3. I would still stress dose HC for two days with each Armour increase.
Laurie
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Post by ginab on Jan 11, 2009 22:14:42 GMT -5
I took less T3 yesterday and today. We'll see what happens.
Question about my back... I started having this low back/hip pain on Wed/Thurs - it's mostly on my right, deep inside. It was annoying, but tolerable at first, but yesterday it got worse. And today, I've been laying down all day because sitting and standing/walking hurt too bad! I remember having this once before and it ended up being a bowel thing. Like I had mega gas or something. I sort of feel constipated, but I'm still having bm's. Well, it's been 4-5 days of this pain and I really don't know what to do. ANY suggestions would be greatly appreciated because this is keeping me from doing ANYTHING! I am struggling just sitting here writing this!
Also, yesterday I had major issues. Everything got on my nerves and every tiny thing sent me in a tizzy. I was completely intolerable of anyone yesterday. That feeling had started on Friday night - I'm a little better today. Not biting anyone's head off today, of course I haven't been around anyone coz hubby and my boy's were gone most of the day. My daughter was here but she wasn't bugging me too bad.
I'm tired of all of this! I made a med change 2 weeks ago, so I wouldn't think that would make me feel so horrible. I do realize having this pain and the neck pain this week could have made me emotionally crazy this weekend, but why all of these things all of a sudden? I was doing good. Could it be from being a tiny bit hyper? Ugh.
Well, hopefully reducing the T3 will do something. I can tell I'm off and that I sound a bit out there, so bear with me while I try to figure this out. It's just so hard to explain it all in a post, you know? Well, I know someone on this board has some great insight for me!
Gina
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Post by justaustin on Jan 14, 2009 10:10:27 GMT -5
Are you doing any better? How bad is your back? Have you ever had MRI to determine if you have disc bulging? Wonder if you have nerve impingement due to back. This would explain bowel symptoms as nerves to bowel are innervated from low back.
Laurie
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Post by ginab on Jan 14, 2009 21:23:17 GMT -5
I'm doing MUCH better now! As quickly as it came, it disappeared! Monday morning I woke up with it and thought 'not another day of this!', but I put some pain cream on it and by noon it was pretty much gone. (I had used the cream the day before with little to no help, but thought I'd try it again.) I still have some twinges, but nothing significant.
Someone suggested that maybe candida was causing some of this. I've been doing a candida cleanse, and am almost done, so I wonder if it had to do with that. It never occured that it could! But I guess with die-off it could cause some of this.
I took less T3 for the last couple of days and today I'm very tired! I think I took too much out! And I'm getting joint pain and muscle aches that were gone on the higher dose. I added a small bit back today to see if that helps. Haven't taken my temps in the last couple of days because I mis-placed my thermometer! I found it tonight, so we'll see tomorrow how that goes.
Thanks again for your help! Gina
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